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The man helping “mostly middle-aged white males in California” get their hands on “unserialized” firearms says he doesn’t see a way of preventing people with ulterior motives from obtaining weapons in the U.S.

Cody Wilson, founder and director of Defense Distributed, told ³ÉÈËXÕ¾ Radio’s Dave Ross that unless someone is on a terrorist watch list, everyone is protected by the Second Amendment.

“A mature attitude about civil liberties is one that understands that in order to enable people to have the widest swath of freedom possible, we have to tolerate the idea that there are bad people who can take advantage of our liberties in the first place,” he said.

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Wilson’s non-profit organization sells a computer-numerical-controlled mill system that allows people to mill AR-15 and AR10 lower receivers to completion. The receiver houses the operating parts and is the piece that includes a serial number.

It’s the software for the gun manufacturing system that has the government worried, Wilson says.

“The point of contention isn’t the machine,” he explained. “That’s like me selling you a hammer. But the software the mill can run has the government uneasy.”

It’s something that thousands of people are capable of right now and it has Dave feeling nervous.

“I assume that somewhere in America there is a group of bad guys slowly assembling their arsenal and one day they will appear and nobody will get out alive,” Dave said.

Wilson argues that there is a demand for the system and that the organization does do screenings.

“We’re required to do screenings,” he told Dave.

traditionally sees more business after shootings, such as the massacre at a gay nightclub in Orlando that left 49 dead and more than 50 wounded. Wilson says every time there is talk about banning “assault-style” rifles, especially the AR-15, there’s “always an uptick” in people wanting to produce them on their own.

Dave wonders how Wilson feels about this kind of activity. Is this the kind of thing terrorists would do? he asked.

“I admit this is the type of behavior you would expect people with ulterior motives would do,” Wilson said. “But I stand by our principles.”

If it were up to Wilson, there would be fewer gun regulations. He says the citizens of the United States should be able to own the same firearms the military uses.

“You name it,” he said. “That’s my position. I think that’s something the free people of the U.S. should have access to.”

Dave can’t imagine what the country would be like with people walking around with rocket launchers.

“That’s flat-out crazy,” he added.

Wilson’s only rebuttal is that there are already of millions of guns circulating in the country and there isn’t some kind of open revolt.

Dave argues that when compared with other countries, “you would think there was a daily battle going on.”

Listen to Dave’s full conversation with Cody Wilson below.