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As the remains under fire for its handling of a senior officer’s arrest for suspected DUI and vehicular assault, Pierce County Sheriff Keith Swank joined “The Gee and Ursula Show” to discuss reprimanding Major Chadwick Dickerson and the comparisons between his major’s DUI arrest and his own from 2007.

Dickerson鈥檚 arrest showed discrepancies between law enforcement agencies over whether Dickerson exhibited any signs of alcohol use, and whether he left the scene of the accident after being told to remain until investigators arrived.

“Let me set the stage for you after the accident happened,” Swank said. “Major Dickerson insisted upon staying at the scene because he did not want to leave the scene to let anybody think that he did a hit-and-run or anything like that. It was obvious to the supervisor, the sergeant there on the scene, that he was injured. It was obvious to fire personnel that he was injured. Three ambulances showed up, and they transported the victims of the other vehicle, I think there were six or seven of them, to various hospitals. After those three ambulances left, there were no ambulances left to take Major Dickerson anywhere.

“He still wanted to stay at the scene and, eventually, they could see that he was deteriorating,” Swank continued. “He was very injured, and they were worried about internal injuries. So, at that point, since there were no more ambulances around, his wife took him to an emergency care facility.”

Dickerson, a 25-year veteran who oversees all sheriff鈥檚 detectives, failed to yield the right of way at the intersection of 132nd Avenue E. and 288th Street E. near Graham and collided with an SUV.

A technical collision investigator instructed Dickerson to remain at the scene until Washington State Patrol (WSP) Trooper Shannon McKenzie arrived to investigate.

“At the scene, your deputies reported that there were no signs of impairment,” 成人X站 host Ursula Reutin said. “When they arrived, they also did not give him a breath test at the scene, but when troopers arrived at urgent care nearly two hours later, they said his breath smelled heavily of alcohol and he had bloodshot, watery eyes. Dickerson only then admitted that he had two vodka sodas while golfing. How do you explain that discrepancy?”

“I don’t know about all those reports because I haven’t read anything yet. I won’t be reading anything until the investigation WSP is completed,” Swank said. “However, if somebody drinks alcohol, it takes a while for it to get into your system. I will say this, I wasn’t there. I want everybody to be clear about that … We’ll find out when the toxicology report comes back.”

Swank has previously been critical of WSP. Swank has previously written posts on X that include, “Any WSP who wants to work for a real law enforcement organization should come work at Pierce County Sheriff’s Department,” and “Is the Washington State Patrol a real law enforcement agency?”

Did Pierce County deputies investigate Dickerson’s alleged DUI?

Court documents revealed that when WSP trooper Shannon McKenzie asked if Dickerson showed any signs of impairment before leaving the scene, deputies at the scene said no.

“OK, sheriff, with all due respect …” Ursula said.

“You don’t have any, I know,” Swank replied.

“No, I’m trying to be as respectful as possible because I want to get to the bottom of this,” Ursula countered. “I have actually been stopped by State Patrol. I don’t drink. Our listeners know I don’t drink. I was very comfortable, but they put me through the ringer. They made me do the so-called ‘perp walk’ on the side of the freeway. You’re saying you don’t know if they asked a question? Have you asked your deputies if they asked the question, ‘Had you been drinking?'”

“If he was drinking at the golf course and got behind the wheel, it concerns me,” Swank said. “If our deputies started doing an investigation and it wasn’t a thorough investigation, it could blow the whole investigation. So their job, the best thing to do there at that time, once they learned he was one of our deputies, in this case, a major, was to call in another agency. They shouldn’t have been asking him any questions when they realized who he was.”

Swank also mentioned that he was surprised Ursula was willing to give a field sobriety test.

“I can tell you this, if WSP made a traffic stop, first off, you should never do a field sobriety test,” Swank added. “I don’t know why you did that, even if you drink or not, but that’s another discussion. Some other time, and I’m giving that free legal advice to everybody out there.”

He later added that if a driver is smart, they shouldn’t give law enforcement more evidence.

“If you’re drunk, we’ll still figure it out,” Swank said.

It was decided that Dickerson would not be charged Wednesday, according to a spokesperson for the Pierce County Prosecuting Attorney鈥檚 Office. The 72-hour hold for Dickerson to not contact witnesses or victims will also expire. However, the prosecuting attorney鈥檚 office has requested that the sheriff order the witnesses who work with PCSO not to speak with Dickerson, to preserve the integrity of the investigation.

“Have you ordered your deputies who are witnesses not to talk with Major Dickerson?” 成人X站 host Gee Scott asked.

“I have not done that. The commanders have done that, and even though it has expired, which I didn’t know, the order is for none of the people involved in the incident to speak with Major Dickerson until such time as is reasonable, if it ever is, that they can speak with him,” Swank said. “There won’t be any conversation with him regarding the incident.”

The differences between Swank’s DUI and Dickerson’s DUI arrest

成人X站 Newsradio uncovered court records Wednesday that showed Swank, who hired Dickerson to be a part of the command staff as head of criminal investigations, was also arrested for DUI 18 years ago while he was employed as a sergeant with the Seattle Police Department (SPD).

“What is the difference between his alleged DUI arrest and yours?” Gee said.

“Well, because you have ‘Swank derangement syndrome,’ you want to talk about how bad of a person I am, so let me set the record straight,” Swank said. “I was too drunk to drive my car in Raymond 18 years ago, in February, in the wintertime. I was in my car with keys in the back seat, just like we teach people and tell people to do. There wasn’t Uber back then. There weren’t cabs back then to give me a ride. I didn’t have a ride from anybody, so I was hanging out in my car. I didn’t even turn my car on to stay warm. I just had a jacket with me. So it’s a big difference.”

A WSP trooper saw Swank sitting in his car and approached him. When Swank opened the car door, the trooper smelled intoxicants on him and arrested him for DUI. Swank mentioned that even though he explained to the trooper he wasn鈥檛 driving and there were no taxis available in rural Raymond, the arrest continued.

“Lastly, if I didn’t get behind the wheel in February in Raymond, I would have died of exposure,” Swank said. “If I didn’t get in my car, I would have died. Maybe I should have gotten the back seat. That would have been maybe better. But, you know, that’s the way it is.”

Pierce County’s involvement with ICE

The conversation then shifted to a widely discussed issue, recent U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids.

Passed in 2019, the Keep Washington Working Act designates the state as a “sanctuary” for immigrants without legal status, despite threats, including the potential withholding of federal funding, from the current administration.

“You have supported allowing Pierce County deputies to work with ICE despite Washington’s Keep Washington Working Act, which explicitly bars local law enforcement from helping with immigration enforcement,” Ursula said. “Why are you pushing for this when it’s against the law, and are your deputies following state law?”

“First off, you have your whole narrative wrong,” Swank answered. “I’ve talked about that. I want to work with ICE, but we haven’t worked with ICE. My deputies aren’t working with ICE. The Keep Washington Working Act, in my opinion, is unconstitutional, but right now, it’s state law. I’m bringing attention to it to hopefully get it to the U.S. Supreme Court so we can have a ruling on it because I have the state government saying you can’t enforce immigration and I have the federal government saying, ‘Sheriff, we want you to work with us, and if you don’t, we’re going to come after you.’ I need to have this resolved.”

On “The Gee and Ursula Show,” they shared a clip of Swank talking on “The Jason Rantz Show” on KTTH about how, during his tenure as sheriff, he hasn’t seen ICE raids or the conflict over enforcing various immigration laws come up.

“It’s not like we’re out searching for people, but now that [Trump] started doing this thing, maybe I will start [and] go out searching for people,” Swank told Rantz earlier.

“If I live in Pierce County, I’m worried about that statement,” Ursula said.

“Why are you worried about it?” Swank countered. “Why are you worried about going after criminals?”

“Because it sounds vindictive,” Ursula responded.

“You take it out of context,” Swank retorted. “I said, I might. That’s what I said, to be provocative, to get the conversation going. Look, I’m not going to enforce any regulations with ICE. We’re not working with them. People ask me how bad the number of illegal immigrants is here. I have no idea because I’m not checking into it. The reason why I’m not is because I don’t want my deputies to be sued by the bully Attorney General Nick Brown.”

Gee, Ursula question Swank’s past social media presence

“I want to go back to your posts on X,” Gee said. “You wrote that black males are the leading cause of death for children in America. You want to explain that?”

“FBI stats explain it,” Swank said. “If you look it up, it’ll show you that gang violence is the leading cause. But now it’s changed. If you include 18 and 19-year-olds, it’s fentanyl.”

“Did you ever tweet about white on white violence?” Gee asked.

“It wasn’t the leading cause, but I do tweet about any violence that’s going on out there,” Swank replied. “I tweeted about the quadruple homicide suspect over in Moscow, Idaho. I recently tweeted about some other white guy. Tweeted about white pedophiles. I tweet about criminals. I don’t care what race they are, but I also don’t just sugar coat things and change facts around because it doesn’t fit the narrative that you’d like to hear.”

Swank retired from the SPD after a 30-year career shortly after the Office of Police Accountability launched an investigation into his posts on X. He was elected sheriff of Pierce County in November 2024.

“You also tweeted that Democrats let violent animals like this, referring to a black suspect, back out on the streets to kill Americans,” Ursula brought up. “A few days later, you tweeted that Nancy Pelosi coordinated the deadly attack on Jan. 6 and that Ashley Babbitt was murdered. You said it would be great to see this criminal face accountability for her crime. And then, on April 28 of 2023, you said that men and women who pretend to be the other sex are appropriating gender.”

A disciplinary report, signed by former interim police chief Sue Rahr, accused Swank of making “biased, inflammatory” social media posts while he was still working as a police captain for SPD. According to Rahr, he would have been fired from the department if he still worked there.

“Do you regret saying those things?” Ursula asked. “And I guess, as a follow-up, can you assure the public that you can be a sheriff for all in a very diverse county?”

“Well, first off, what’s a woman?” Swank asked back. “Can you tell me what a woman is?”

“No, I’m asking you the question,” Ursula replied.

“I stand by that trans women are men because they are men, OK? There are X and Y chromosomes,” Swank responded. “It’s biology. It’s been around forever. I stand by it. I stand by all my tweets, some of them provocative. The other thing is Sue Rahr, who absolutely destroyed the academy, and we’re paying for it with everything, the training is so abysmal there. That’s another conversation, if you want to have it sometime.”

Listen to the full conversation here.

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