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It was a tense Senate Transportation Committee meeting Tuesday as frustrated lawmakers zeroed in on the City of Seattle’s homeless policies.

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Democratic Senator Steve Hobbs made clear from the start he has concerns during the聽work session in committee with WSDOT and the City of Seattle聽homeless encampments set up near highways.

鈥淎 lot of this has to do with safety,” Hobbs said at the start of the work session. “I鈥檝e seen a lot of tents and debris. One time, I saw a tent nearly blow into the highway. Luckily some folks grabbed on to the tent. I鈥檝e seen a shopping cart almost go into the highway. We鈥檝e already had one death of a person rolling into the highway. There might be more. The other issue is having toured the state and talking to the rank and file DOT maintenance workers who are out there, these hard working men and women, it鈥檚 unsafe for them.”

In Seattle, the City and WSDOT share responsibility for clearing encampments along highways and have an agreement to give campers 72 hours鈥� notice before clearing a camp.

Hobbs believes that is a safety risk.

鈥淚 mean 72 hours in that area where I see a tent being blown 鈥� that鈥檚 dangerous. And 72 hours on an incline right there, that鈥檚 dangerous. I鈥檝e seen, and we鈥檝e all seen it, where you have tents on sides of hills where it鈥檚 very dangerous,”聽Hobbs said. “Again, lack of resources, we鈥檙e going to provide you resources because I know it鈥檚 tough, but 鈥� I feel like the 72 hours rule, I think maybe that鈥檚 going a little too far.”

But Interim Seattle Human Services Director Jason Johnson told lawmakers the city’s Navigation Team uses those 72 hours wisely.

鈥淚 think it鈥檚 important to understand what happens during that 72-hour period,鈥� Johnson told the committee. “That鈥檚 a period where we can have outreach workers go in and start engaging with folks.”

鈥淭ypically, once that 72-hour posting was there and people knew crews were coming, work was going to be done that they were not going to be able to stay in that location,鈥� Johnson added. “There was both the motivation to leave as well as the resource provide and somewhere for them to go. You know there is active work that goes into that 72-hour period.”

But Senator Hobbs took issue with that policy, questioning what might happen if the tent actually did blow into the freeway and into a van full of kids, all because the camp wasn鈥檛 cleared due to the 72-hour rule.

Lawmakers also asked Johnson what happens when they do clear campers.

鈥淪ome of them engage with our outreach teams and accept offers of shelter,鈥� Johnson admitted. “And sometimes they鈥檒l just vacate the immediate area that鈥檚 been posted and go somewhere else nearby.”

Republican Senator Phil Fortunato suggested a new strategy.

鈥淚f it was me, I would be sticking a sign out there, a permanent sign that said, ‘If you encamp here, you may be out with no notice whatsoever. We鈥檙e considering this a hazardous area for debris so don鈥檛 be surprised if somebody shows up and says you鈥檙e outta here,'” Fortunato suggested.

Several WSDOT workers and department leaders also described how dangerous it is for workers to clear the camps and deal with gallons of used syringes, feces, and more. They noted several workers had also been stuck with used needles.

Republican Senator Curtis King made clear he had had enough.

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鈥淚t鈥檚 just inconceivable to me that we allow people to live the way these people are living,鈥� King said. “It鈥檚 inconceivable to me that will allow people to live where they鈥檙e living. I mean if you look at the contamination that鈥檚 down here 鈥� if a business had sewage running out of their property, guess what would happen to them?鈥�

He stressed that it wasn鈥檛 that he did not have empathy for those on the streets.

鈥淚 have a lot of empathy for these people, I鈥檓 not hard-hearted,” King said. “But my point is, we鈥檝e talked about this for how many years … in these encampments underneath abutments and roads? And we鈥檙e not getting any further. We鈥檙e getting further behind. We have laws about involuntary treatment. We need to go in there and do what needs to be done.”

King said there is no doubt it is going to cost money but that it was time to step up.

鈥淲e want to talk about doing all these things, at some point we gotta step up and man up and get it done,鈥� King said. “And yeah, it鈥檚 gonna cost a heck of a lot of money to do it, but we can鈥檛 continue to do what we鈥檙e doing because we鈥檙e not solving the problem. We鈥檙e not even coming close. And yeah, it鈥檚 transportation and it鈥檚 a whole lot of other things and at some point we, as a state, say enough is enough because it isn鈥檛 just about the homeless, it鈥檚 about all of the other people that they impact; the workers that we鈥檙e talking about here. We need to get this addressed. We need to get it done and we need to find the money to do it.”

Senator Hobbs vowed to work to get the Legislature to approve money for at least four new WSDOT staff to focus on the encampments, and funding for State Patrol to serve as security in clearing encampments and more to help address the homeless crisis.